{"id":1394,"date":"2023-03-22T11:07:41","date_gmt":"2023-03-22T18:07:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/?p=1394"},"modified":"2023-03-22T11:07:41","modified_gmt":"2023-03-22T18:07:41","slug":"lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/?p=1394","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; and The Satanic Temple have a lot to answer for"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How can TST&#8217;s defenders think grotesque bigotry by its owner is merely &#8220;an imperfection&#8221; to be celebrated?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When confronted with examples of Doug &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; Misicko&#8217;s pattern of <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple\/\">reactionary words and actions over the past two decades<\/a>, usually, The Satanic Temple&#8217;s sycophants offer one of a small handful of stock excuses to deflect and otherwise resist actually dealing with it.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/TST-excuse-bingo.png\" alt=\"The Satanic Temple excuse bingo: &quot;How many times must he say he's sorry?&quot;, &quot;That was a long time ago&quot;, &quot;That's biased!&quot;, &quot;At least they're DOING something&quot;, [TST sycophant free space], &quot;It's been dealt with already&quot;, &quot;That's out of context!&quot;, &quot;The Catholic Church is way worse&quot;, <something the ACLU actually did&gt;\" style=\"width:368px;height:442px\" title=\"bingo\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Their most recent tack has been \u201cLucien Greaves has changed! <em>Actually<\/em>, &#8216;The Satanic Temple is <a href=\"https:\/\/stephenbradfordlong.com\/2023\/03\/22\/the-satanic-temple-is-a-church-for-imperfect-people\">a church for imperfect people<\/a>&#8216;  which is <em>why<\/em> our religion is great!\u201d\u2014 an excuse that exceeds parody but more seriously points to the dangers of what is now required of TSTers by way of loyalty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And yet as we have said, \u201c<strong>When it comes to The Satanic Temple, there\u2019s always more and it\u2019s always worse<\/strong>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Starting February 26, the admin(s) behind The.Satanic.Wiki began releasing <em>more<\/em> clips on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\">Twitter<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\">Kolektiva<\/a> from audio and corrected transcripts of old Internet radio shows The Satanic Temple&#8217;s co-owner Doug Misicko used to make with his friend and longtime collaborator Shane Bugbee, primarily from the incomplete audio of a show called <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet\">The ABCs of the Alphabet<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This was back when Misicko was using the pseudonym &#8220;Doug Mesner&#8221; rather than &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; as he mostly does now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These conversations\u2014intended for public consumption!\u2014are <em>incredibly<\/em> bad, but of course all context added to them makes them even worse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We&#8217;ve censored the slurs in the titles, but in the actual audio clips and transcripts, they are presented as they were said at the time: in full and without obfuscation or shame.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-black-color has-white-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color has-small-font-size wp-elements-d16073d22b93394a962e3aa5e28f3252\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-medium-font-size\" id=\"jump-to\">Jump to:<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221;<strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#r-slur-story\">wants to write a &#8220;[ableist r-slur] story&#8221;<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#oklahoma-city-bombing\"><strong>the Oklahoma City Bombing and the bad PR of killing children<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#the-view\"><strong>talks about &#8220;The View&#8221; (TV show) and network [n-slurs]<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#cunnilingus\"><strong>Black co-workers and cunnilingus<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#k-words\"><strong>talks about the KKK and killing [Jewish peopl<\/strong>e]<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#eugenics-and-who-decides\"><strong>talks eugenics and \u201cwho decides\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#n-words\"><strong>&#8220;N-words&#8221;<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#case-for-fascism\">makes his case for fascism<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#detroit\"><strong>really hates Detroit<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Satanic Temple\u2019s co-owner \u201cLucien Greaves\u201d on <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#public-religious-displays\"><strong>public displays of religion like Judaism and Islam<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#fascist-pilgrimage\"><strong>recalls his pilgrimage to fascist Italy<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#nazi-anthem\"><strong>talks about arson and high school bullying as Nazi national anthem plays<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#burning-churches\"><strong>burning down churches (and temples) plus why we should nuke the &#8220;Holy Land&#8221;<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; and <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#hindu-organ-harvester\"><strong>the OfficeMax gay Hindu organ harvester &#8220;prank call&#8221; story<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#domestic-abuse\"><strong>domestic abuse (he blames the victims)<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#abortion-access\"><strong>explains the (true) importance of abortion access: \u201cIt\u2019s not so much about dead babies as less people\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left wp-block-paragraph\">The titles The Satanic Wiki gave them are fairly short, and it&#8217;s often difficult to describe fully all of what makes them terrible. For example, while Misicko is talking about <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#nazi-anthem\">arson and bullying in high school<\/a>, Bugbee plays the Nazi anthem along under Misicko&#8217;s story; how do you best emphasize and summarize that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In any case, if you still have friends who are supportive or otherwise ignorant of The Satanic Temple, and they don&#8217;t want to <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple\/\">read a long article about it<\/a>, any of the below clips should encapsulate quickly why these people are not to be trusted with your money or to fight for religious liberty of any sort.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(For those not up to date, while <em>these<\/em> clips are from 2003-2004, the issue is that Misicko and Bugbee were close up through <em>2013<\/em> when Misicko tapped Bugbee to help re-launch TST after the first attempt failed, and their leaked emails and gravestone-teabagging stunt together that summer demonstrate how little change had actually happened in that decade. More of that history <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/what-the-hell-is-the-satanic-temple-ep-3\">here<\/a>.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"r-slur-story\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; wants to write a &#8220;[ableist r-slur] story&#8221;<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: r-slur and other ableist slurs, antisemitism, n-word slur, anti-Hispanic slur, call for genocide, ableism, eugenics, sexual assault mention<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-1\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqmw4Xp171ylrneb.mp4?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqmw4Xp171ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqmw4Xp171ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1636792939778314240\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/110040025865462180\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/CqE9nxRD58h\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712170912677527553\/the-satanic-temples-co-owner-lucien-greaves-on\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#Doug_Misicko:_%22Yeah,_we_love_the_[r-slurs]%22\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So again, the audio and transcripts are not going to be redacted. There is a lot of slurs and concepts that are going to be upsetting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is just one of many clips that The Satanic Temple would like pretend does not matter. It&#8217;s from the 24-hour &#8220;Might Is Right&#8221; Internet radio stream intended to promote the new edition of a 19th century book that Shane Bugbee published and Doug Misicko had illustrated\u2014itself already <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/666057840073506816\/as-of-june-2013-amid-trying-to-actually-launch\">a proto-fascist and grotesquely bigoted work<\/a>\u2014with crime publisher <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hart_D._Fisher\">Hart Fisher <\/a>coming on for one of the interviews.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One thing that may not be obvious from the rest of the clips is that the dynamic of this kind of edgelord, serial-killer-geek, shock show <em>requires<\/em> a straight man to work most of the time. Usually this is a role Misicko plays, but in this clip it&#8217;s mostly Fisher and therefore Misicko gets to play along more. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some of the excuses that apologists today make for the past behavior of their religion&#8217;s co-owner is that <em>other<\/em> people were saying <em>worse<\/em> things. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This completely misunderstands how these conversations work, and as we go through these clips, the idea should be easily dispelled that Misicko has any <em>real<\/em> objections to what he is taking part in for dozens of hours of recording time over many years. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-1fb5f21e83956d567307b76a24319c79 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: Been like a little cripple time down here at the RadioFreeSatan.com.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah, we love the retards.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: Oh, very important. Kids of Whidney High.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Right. Make some beautiful music.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: First ones in the fuckin showers.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: [Mimicking] &#8220;The fuckin showers.&#8221;<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: First go the retards and then go the Jews.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: The retards are entertaining.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Next is the niggers and spics and then more Jews.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: \u2026right.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: You can tell a retard it&#8217;s got a bug on the back of its head and watch it spin in violent circles, and everybody has a good time.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: While I was growing up, I had this friend of mine he had a cousin that had Down syndrome and he moved in with his with- with his grandma and that- the Down syndrome chick, and her bedroom was next to his and he said he used to have to listen or masturbate at night.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: He had to, huh?<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: Well, yeah, you know, he&#8217;s just living in a fucking trailer. Some fuckin&#8217; retard is masturbating and making all this noise. Ain&#8217;t no way\u2026<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: I heard retards have quite the sexual appetite, too.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: Oh, yeah. And then I was dating this girl and she had an older aunt that was a, uh, a &#8216;tard. And she she got knocked up by the mailman. &#8216;Cause the mailman would come and sweet talk his way in until eventually he knocked her up. And that was in Texas. Friendly.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah, it doesn&#8217;t even sound like the &#8216;tards are at a loss to find somebody to do it with them. What is going on!? That&#8217;s dysgenics.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Having not listened to this segment in a while, upon doing so again it is grim and <em>genuinely<\/em> depressing knowing how much power the man now has in liberal and even some leftist circles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But if you needed to show a friend getting interested in TST just one clip to let them know it\u2019s a bad idea, this is probably the one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Again: Two of the three people in this conversation <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/when-it-comes-to-the-satanic-temple-theres-always-more-and-its-always-worse\/2\/\">launched The Satanic Temple together in 2013<\/a>, and Doug Misicko a.k.a &#8220;Doug Mesner&#8221; a.k.a. &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; <em>brought Shane Bugbee in<\/em> because the prank documentary project that would ultimately become &#8220;TST&#8221; needed help.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/Bugbee-Misicko-Soling.jpg\" alt=\"image of three white men standing together. Caption: &quot;Shane [Bugbee] pictured in the middle in 2013 with Lucien Greaves aka Douglas Mesner (left), and &quot;Malcolm Jarry (right) of The Satanic Temple.&quot; However, &quot;Lucien Greaves&quot; and &quot;Mesner&quot; are pseudonyms for Douglas Alexander Misicko and &quot;Malcolm Jarry&quot; is a pseudonym for Cevin Soling\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"oklahoma-city-bombing\">&#8220;<strong>Lucien Greaves<\/strong>&#8220;<strong> on the Oklahoma City Bombing and the bad PR of killing children<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: terrorism, praise of white nationalist violence, misogyny<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-2\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqjiwgHBl1ylrneb.mp4?_=2\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqjiwgHBl1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqjiwgHBl1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1635713904218370048\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/110023123152313189\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cp8pLC5PaJj\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712167317323366400\/oklahoma-city-the-weight-of-evidence\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#Waco,_Ruby_Ridge,_and_the_Oklahoma_City_Bombing\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-5eea6d364de132f51985e7a1fa7d4251 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: <\/strong>A major person who did help pass around <em>Day 51<\/em> [a Waco standoff documentary] was Tim McVeigh.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Yeah, exactly. That was one of the people that gave it to and we&#8217;re trying to live to- some people call McVeigh a terrorist and American terrorist. I call him an American hero. Okay?<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: That&#8217;s right. And I just finished reading American Terrorist, Timothy McVeigh story, and it&#8217;s\u2026 fascinating. It&#8217;s really a shame and the major- the thing that he was most upset about what the Oklahoma City bombing was the fact that the children dying outshined what the message was he was trying to convey by blowing up the building. And it&#8217;s a real shame. He said, if he would have known that there were- there was a daycare center in there, he would have picked a different target because of that.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: All right, that was the biggest mistake. And of course, it was easy for the media to take that away.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: What was the biggest mistake?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: The fact that there was kids in there.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: That was your\u2026 you consider that a mistake<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Well, it&#8217;s a PR mistake.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For those who don&#8217;t already know, Timothy McVeigh was a white nationalist terrorist who hoped to fulfill the vision of <em>The Turner Diaries<\/em> and ultimately its genocidal \u201cday of the rope\u201d by bombing a federal building (as that novel did).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One hundred sixty-eight people were murdered, including 19 children. But they were incidental to McVeigh. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-white-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-656be982012041e6c0a5e6906e698052 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Evidence of McVeigh&#8217;s admiration for a novel called The Turner Diaries, published in 1978, will aid the prosecution&#8217;s effort to portray him as a hate-filled radical<\/strong>. The book, a favorite of far-right groups, tells the story of a group of white supremacists who blow up FBI headquarters in Washington at 9:15 one morning&#8211;almost exactly the same time of the Oklahoma City bombing. <strong>The Turner Diaries oozes invective against blacks and Jews<\/strong>. &#8220;We have allowed a diabolically clever, alien minority to put chains on our souls and our minds,&#8221; a passage reads. &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t we roast them over bonfires at every street corner in America? Why didn&#8217;t we make a final end to this obnoxious and eternally pushy clan, this pestilence from the sewers of the East\u2026?&#8221;<br><br><strong>McVeigh was such an eager evangelist for The Turner Diaries that he handed it out to friends and sold it at gun shows&#8211;often at a loss<\/strong>. The government will probably present testimony by Fortier and McVeigh&#8217;s sister to confirm this zeal and may argue that McVeigh thought the book provided a model for how he might retaliate against the government for its Waco raid. For example, the bomb the narrator builds is, like the one used on the Murrah building, made out of ammonium nitrate mixed with heating oil and is loaded into a truck.<br><br>Letters and testimony by friends will show the defendant&#8217;s growing paranoia about the government and his bitterness toward it. A revealing set of documents was found in the car McVeigh was driving when he was arrested after the bombing. One item is a commentary by John Locke, which McVeigh copied by hand, asserting that a man has a right to kill someone who would take away his liberty; <strong>another is a photocopy of a passage from The Turner Diaries that says the purpose of the fictional bombing was to wake up America<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<cite><a href=\"https:\/\/content.time.com\/time\/subscriber\/article\/0,33009,986240-3,00.html\"><em>Time<\/em> Magazine, 1997<\/a><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Doug Misicko \u2014 a.k.a. \u201cDoug Mesner\u201d a.k.a. \u201cLucien Greaves\u201d the owner of The Satanic Temple \u2014 thinks the children killing was bad public relations, though.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The members of The Satanic Temple who see this will say, \u201cThat was a long time ago! And it was <em>mostly<\/em> Shane Bugbee, who did nothing for TST \u2014 other than helping TST get early press coverage while he was paid to promote the Temple in <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en\/article\/4w7adn\/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple\">Vice<\/a><\/em> and <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/podcast_conversations-with-matt-dwyer_lucien-greves-part-ii-plot-tw_1000163826840\">on podcasts<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Being a close friend and collaborator with someone so effusive in praise to white nationalists for years is bad enough, but Misicko has said plenty for himself, too. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide has-text-align-left\" id=\"the-view\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; talks about &#8220;The View&#8221; (TV show) and network<\/strong> [n-slurs]<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: anti-Black slurs, antisemitism, racism<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-3\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqt6t1QK4w1ylrneb.mp4?_=3\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqt6t1QK4w1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqt6t1QK4w1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1630018940926824450\">Twitter<\/a>][Kolektiva] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/CpOlFYFNCFx\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/710536176022536192\/lucien-greaves-on-the-view-and-network\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_The_View_and_Network_N-words\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-c354af1df003bb03ad45115c10779907 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: We&#8217;re doing the alphabet. We&#8217;re starting each show with a letter, and just going- That&#8217;s our very generalized theme. It&#8217;s our theme without a theme. We bring up a letter, first word comes to mind, and we discuss this is our panel kinda like those five big, fat black Negros and sit and talk about-<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Rotund. (Doug Misicko: Yeah.) We don&#8217;t use the &#8220;f-word&#8221; in this house.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: &#8220;Inflated&#8221; for &#8220;I&#8221;.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Oh god, inflated? (Amy Bugbee: There you go.) Worse than- worse than fat. &#8220;Inflated&#8221;. (Doug Misicko: Right.) But like the five big flat- fat black Negro, what?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Big- uhh, I think it&#8217;s five big, big inflated Negros that discuss things on a show. I dunno, there&#8217;s some morning show.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: I&#8217;ve never seen it. (Doug Misicko: Yeah, nevermind.) Is it &#8220;The View&#8221;?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah, I think that&#8217;s what it is.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Are they all Negros?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: I think so.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Barbara Walters is on there.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: She&#8217;s a Negro.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Exactly.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: Yep. She&#8217;s Jewish.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: She&#8217;s some- No, oh, uh, she&#8217;s a- she&#8217;s a network (Shane Bugbee: Idiot?) -nigger, is what she is.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In his book on The Satanic Temple <em>Speak of the Devil<\/em>, Professor Joe Laycock took at face value the claim that Doug Misicko saying \u201cI think it\u2019s OK to hate Jews\u201d was one quote taken out of context where Misicko stated something clumsily and didn&#8217;t stop his co-hosts from engaging in worse bigotry. TST podcaster Stephen B. Long called this, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/stephenbradfordlong.com\/2020\/05\/21\/why-i-havent-left-the-satanic-temple\/#:~:text=Lucien%E2%80%99s%20Moment%20of%20Cringe\">Lucien&#8217;s Moment of Cringe&#8221;<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We <em>already<\/em> knew the apology in the statement on Misicko&#8217;s behalf passed around in 2018 didn\u2019t match reality.  That <em>same show<\/em> had so much other material that was much worse, including the above two clips but <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/665883990002122752\/the-satanic-temples-lucien-greaves-im-an-aryan\">also many more such examples<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20080607035518\/http:\/\/radiofreesatan.com:80\/doug_mesner_show.html\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-1.png\" alt=\"The Doug Mesner Show&quot;\n\nArtist, commentator, and self-proclaimed &quot;One Man Gang-Bang,&quot; Douglas Mesner takes on the world armed with a tape recorder, police scanner, and sardonic wit.  Anunscrupulous journalist of the Muckracker\/Gonzo School, Doug takes his taperecorder everywhere it's unwelcome.  Bringing pranking to the level of stone-faced professionalism, Mesner's Show promises to revolutionize Rotten Radio and serve as the definitive audio documentary of the apocalypse.\n\nEpisode 126\n\nWeek of 24 December 07\n\nUnidentified Flying Objects 2.\" style=\"width:335px;height:358px\"\/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Radio Free Satan (RFS) program &#8220;The Doug Mesner Show&#8221;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This, however, is not from that same show. It is a <em>different <\/em>show called &#8220;ABCs of the Alphabet&#8221; happening a year later. It also involved future co-owner of The Satanic Temple Doug \u201cLucien Greaves\u201d Misicko and his collaborator for at least a decade Shane Bugbee, as well as Bugbee&#8217;s wife Amy. As Misicko describes in that clip, the format was for the three of them to just &#8220;riff&#8221; for 30 minutes about subjects related to that letter of the alphabet, occasionally with musical breaks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because Shane Bugbee thoroughly publicly archived his own work, we still have these. Otherwise, essentially no one would remember or have access to any of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For example, the only surviving bit of Radio Free Satan&#8217;s \u201cThe Doug Mesner Show\u201d (Misicko\u2019s earlier pseudonym) is a segment called \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/TardSex\">Tard Sex<\/a>\u201d, despite that show running for at least 126 episodes until December 2007.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So we only have some of what Misicko was willing to say in public in this period, and we know he did it for years, but in now way should this be taken as fully representative of his views and attitude.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"cunnilingus\">&#8220;<strong>Lucien Greaves&#8221; on Black co-workers and cunnilingus<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: anti-Black racism, discussions of sex acts, death<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-4\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqth0ruXHO1ylrneb.mp4?_=4\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqth0ruXHO1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqth0ruXHO1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1630322510200991747\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109950501210295077\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/CpOonyxtOLj\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/710549007300247552\/lucien-greaves-on-black-co-workers-and-cunnilingus\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_Black_co-workers_and_cunnilingus\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-white-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-1c863dfbdd65d7fbfefda95a7cd5221f is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: I used to work with <em>coloreds<\/em>, and they always talked about <em>cunnilingus<\/em>. (Shane Bugbee: Oh!) They always did, every night, it was the fucking topic. \u201cDid you do it?\u201d Y\u2019know?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: They don\u2019t though! Coloreds don\u2019t eat pussy.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Some of them\u2026 It was a big debate. Some of them would talk about- (Shane Bugbee: No, they don\u2019t!) \u201cDo you eat pussy?\u201d And others would\u2026 No, some would say they did, and others would say \u201cFuck, no!\u201d.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Doug Misicko is 29 here, for the record.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He probably knows better than to say this sort of thing in public now, but The Satanic Temple remains overwhelming white as an organization for reasons that probably are not surprising and <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/satanic-collective\/what-would-satan-do-knowing-when-to-pull-anchor-and-sail-away-f6d8249accaf\">have been pointed out before<\/a>.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"k-words\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; talks about the KKK and killing [Jewish people] <\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: antisemitism, racism, violent threats, slurs<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-5\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqti8tuY721ylrneb.mp4?_=5\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqti8tuY721ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqti8tuY721ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1630630627350564864\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109950544082594709\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/CpOo2A9u7Un\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/710550592057147392\/lucien-greaves-on-the-kkk-and-killing-jewish\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#The_KKK_and_killing_Jewish_people\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-white-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-6dafbb74b4a92418bcf1fb02a0acd35f is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Alright. So weren&#8217;t we talking about kiddie porn earlier?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: No, we were talking about the Ku Klux Klan. (Doug Misicko: Oh, okay.) Amy was talking about kikes during the- you know, when we were off the air, for K.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: I was just mentioning it was a K-word.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: I think you said, &#8220;Fucking kill the kikes&#8221;.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: What does &#8220;kike&#8221; mean to you, Amy?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Go fly a kike.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: Yeah, exactly.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Kike-y tennis shoes.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: Yes. &#8220;Just do it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In regards to the more famous antisemitic quote, &#8220;I think it&#8217;s OK to hate Jews if you hate them because they wear a fucking frisbee on their head and walking around [thinking] they&#8217;re God&#8217;s chosen people,&#8221; it has long been The Satanic Temple&#8217;s standard apologism to point out that Cevin Soling a.k.a. &#8220;Malcolm Jarry&#8221; is an ethnically Jewish man, as is since-exited founder David Guinan a.k.a. &#8220;Nicholas Crowe&#8221; from the <em>Hail Satan?<\/em> film.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Professor Joe Laycock unironically trotted that out as the excuse, &#8220;Some of  Doug&#8217;s best friends are Jews!&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-b17117f139fe151ed88cc957d578fe2e is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">Jarry and Guinan are both Jewish and rejected the suggestion that Mesner harbors anti-Semitic views. Jarry expressed irritation that those claiming Greaves is an anti-Semite never bothered to ask his opinion about the<br>podcast.<\/p>\n<cite>Joseph Laycock, Speak of the Devil, Chapter 3, \u201cSatanic Schisms\u201d<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This discussion of k-slurs precedes some clips about <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Opposition_to_religions_in_public\">hatred of public displays of religiosity<\/a> and how Misicko&#8217;s friends Shane and Amy Bugbee <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Visiting_the_KKK_Museum\">visited the KKK museum for their honeymoon<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then they play a song by <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Johnny_Rebel_song_break\">white supremacist musician Johnny Rebel<\/a> that is violently descriptive about how the Louisiana KKK lynched a Black man for claiming he had the right to be served at a white restaurant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A <em>different<\/em> Johnny Rebel song entirely about <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#Anti-Black_Racist_Song\">how bad Black people smell<\/a> is what had closed the section of Misicko talking about how Nazis had ruined the concepts of antisemitism and eugenics a year before. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So maybe Cevin Soling is not the best person to ask about the prejudices of his business partner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"eugenics-and-who-decides\">&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; talks eugenics and \u201cwho decides\u201d<strong> <\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: eugenics<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-6\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqv0x1kGtg1ylrneb.mp4?_=6\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqv0x1kGtg1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqv0x1kGtg1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1631001194431918080\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109950549279594568\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/CpQrRx5uC0A\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/710624578277359616\/lucien-greaves-talks-eugenics-and-who-decides\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Eugenics\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-792d9eca00f2d73b76d56fa614802e1b is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah, eugenics. Right right, right, right. No, no, no. Eugenics is the practice of proper breeding to produce a better gene pool, and a lot of people try to say that it doesn\u2019t work, and that you can\u2019t breed people better because of too many variables or anything else, but everybody knows through common sense that\u2019s a bunch of shit because we\u2019ve seen horse breeders, we\u2019ve seen animal breeders, we\u2019ve seen everything else. I mean, people give a shit about the papers when they get their dog. People give a shit about those things because they know it works. We know there\u2019s facts of heredity. We know that smart people can have a stupid kid, and you know, stupid people can sometimes have a smart kid, but that\u2019s called deviation from the mean, and it\u2019s not uncommon. That happens, but nonetheless, I feel there should be a eugenics policy, or at least something to curb it\u2019s opposite, which is dysgenics, which is producing inferior breeds through, like fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, or whatever. We shouldn\u2019t promote that, and often people will ask me, you know\u2026<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Oh really? Lots of people ask professor Doug. \u201cOh, people will ask me\u2026\u201d<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: People will often ask me \u201cHow can you promote an idea like eugenics? Who is qualified\u2026 Who\u2019s going to decide who is qualified to have a kid, and who\u2019s not?\u201d You know? And I always tell them that I would be happy to decide. I would be happy to put up some kind of standardized test, like driving a fucking car, Y\u2019know?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: So you would decide?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Why not?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If a religious leader is willing to argue for eugenics policies because it&#8217;s just &#8220;common sense&#8221; and that animal breeders are &#8220;proof&#8221; that it works, how serious do you think this guy is even capable of being when it comes to defending reproductive freedom?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Again, to the idea that &#8220;people change&#8221;, remember that Doug Misicko kept a website called \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/664447780484497408\/the-satanic-temple-is-engulfed-in-a-civil-war-over\">Dysgenics<\/a>\u201d live and updated until 2018.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"n-words\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on &#8220;N-words&#8221;<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: anti-Black racism, n-word slur, lynching reference<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-7\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqwvnelPMj1ylrneb.mp4?_=7\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqwvnelPMj1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqwvnelPMj1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1631367911825866752\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109955453510238124\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/CpTRGpeJoBO\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/710715540352745472\/lucien-greaves-on-n-words\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_N-words\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-35b0783286c65c2d33c0fa29f7f22660 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: What are your N words, Doug?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: I have neighbors, Nazi\u2026<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Did you say neighbors?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Is that the other N word? (Amy Bugbee: <em>laughing<\/em>)<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Other N word? You mean be-<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: That\u2019s the other N word. Like &#8220;nigger&#8221;. And then you go, &#8220;nigger&#8221;, and the other N word is neighbors. They\u2019re a nigger.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Why &#8220;nigger&#8221;! I didn\u2019t think of that.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Amy\u2019s uh, father gave us that one.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: That\u2019s what my dad says.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: What? He says &#8220;neighbors&#8221; is the other N word?<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: He says that &#8220;neighbors&#8221; is the other N word, yeah.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko <\/strong>Oh, Right. Well\u2026 then what- what do you do if your neighbor\u2019s a nigger?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Fuckin&#8217; hang him high. (Amy Bugbee: Sell your house.) Hang him high, OK?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: [<em>laughs audibly into the mic]<\/em> I also had news, nurses, and noise\u2026<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Maybe more than any other clip, this one makes it obvious what the dynamic is for these conversations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Doug Misicko is certainly <em>not<\/em> actually uncomfortable in these situations, as some sycophants of The Satanic Temple and &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; like to claim now. You do not &#8220;uncomfortably&#8221; collaborate with people like this for years and sit through hours of recording sessions with people who are <em>this<\/em> sincerely fond of white nationalists and the KKK, who talk about how neighbors are &#8220;the other n-word&#8221;, and who &#8220;joke&#8221; about lynching and eradication this often.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Claiming that Misicko is <em>uncomfortable<\/em> with what&#8217;s going on here and <em>not <\/em>actually taking part in bigotry is something like saying the comedic duo <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sYOUFGfK4bU\">Abbott and Costello<\/a> only involved one comedian because Abbott played the straight man and Costello got the punchlines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"> Another excuse will be that this was all just dark humor in bad taste. However, that is not actually an excuse, and moreover, Misicko was regularly quite serious about interests such as eugenics or fascism.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"case-for-fascism\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; makes his case for fascism<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: anti-Black racism, n-word slur, white nationalist symbolism, fascism<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-8\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqyspaAcFO1ylrneb.mp4?_=8\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqyspaAcFO1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rqyspaAcFO1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1631752904033079297\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109961238695950703\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/CpV6DhVO0dT\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/710809493059108864\/the-satanic-temples-co-owner-lucien-greaves\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_Fascist_Neighborhoods_and_Hidden_Heroes\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-0885554506b0956a21acb94facbc797d is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Well, I gotta tell you, the f-word still has &#8217;em all beat. (Shane Bugbee: What?) F-word still has &#8217;em all beat internationally. I go to other countries, I still see &#8220;fuck&#8221; on the wall. I never see &#8220;nigger&#8221; written on a wall.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Interesting<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: When I was in Italy, I didn\u2019t see &#8220;nigger&#8221; anywhere.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: But you went to the fascist leader\u2019s house. (Doug Misicko: Actually, I was in a fascist-) The guy who started the fascist-<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: I was in a fascist neighborhood, right outside the Vatican, and it was a real nice, clean area, but you would see swastikas spraypainted. You know, like the crosshairs. I don\u2019t know what you call that, you know, but it was a fascist symbol. A circle with just the crosshairs in it. With\u2026 little fascist logos or anything else. It was a clean area, nice area. If you went to the shitty side of town on the wrong side of the tracks in Rome, saw little hammers and sickles painted on the walls and shit like that. That was the difference. (Amy Bugbee: Wow, that\u2019s crazy.) I think it says a lot, and I think it stands to reason\u2026<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: And you bought that T-shirt. What did your T-shirt say?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Uh, in Italian it says \u201cyou\u2019re with us, or you\u2019re against us.\u201d And it was- it\u2019s a- It\u2019s a fascist shirt. It was a fascist logo on it. I actually got it at a little fascist kiosk outside of Gabriele D\u2019Annunzio\u2019s palace.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: And who is that again?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: He was a- y\u2019know- he was like the first fascist. He was the godfather of fascism. Italian World War One hero that occupied the promised territories, after the First World War. With the Blackshirts. One of those- One of those hidden heroes. People should look him up. Look him up on the internet\u2026 Good deal.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Doug Misicko got a white nationalist shirt at the home of the &#8220;godfather of fascism&#8221;, whom he calls a &#8220;hidden hero&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image is-style-rounded\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-2-edited.png\" alt=\"A black and white image of &quot;celtic cross&quot; or &quot;sun cross&quot;, a circle with an even-limbed cross in the middle, with the phrase &quot;O con noi \/ O contro di noi&quot; written around it, which in English is &quot;You're with us or you're against us&quot;\" style=\"width:191px;height:191px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Celtic Cross \/ Sun Cross<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.adl.org\/resources\/hate-symbol\/celtic-cross\">white nationalist celtic cross<\/a> is the graffiti the co-owner and founder of The Satanic Temple is saying indicates a good neighborhood versus a bad one on the &#8220;wrong side of the tracks&#8221; with the hammer and sickle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He was 29.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">TST&#8217;s sycophants say, &#8220;Nobody&#8217;s perfect!&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sometimes, the Temple&#8217;s sycophants will claim a certain clip shouldn&#8217;t count because it&#8217;s &#8220;out of context&#8221; (they never provide the exculpatory context) or &#8220;bad jokes&#8221; or claim Doug Misicko was &#8220;clearly uncomfortable&#8221;; no such excuse here. This is quite serious and led by him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;He&#8217;s changed!&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yet, in recent years up to the present, The Satanic Temple has at the explicit direction of Misicko sided with neo-Nazis in the name of &#8220;free speech&#8221; then sued people who talk about that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Maybe Doug &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; Misicko <em>is <\/em>different now, but golly! it&#8217;s weird he makes folk high up enough in the organization to be able to talk privately to him sign non-disparagement agreements, huh?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So we are once again demanding people to remember that TST is not the &#8220;cool progressive satanism&#8221; and it does not give a single shit about the marginalized.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"detroit\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; really hates Detroit<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: anti-Black racism<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-provider-tumblr wp-block-embed-tumblr\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-9\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rr4frjYQwV1ylrneb.mp4?_=9\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rr4frjYQwV1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rr4frjYQwV1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1632852790044405760\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109978420963542050\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/Cpdx48Nuw-W\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/711085384116961280\/the-satanic-temples-co-owner-lucien-greaves\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_hates_Detroit\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-c7dfb700bc5a8e1b5949c389599347ef is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah. And best thing you can do to Detroit is burn it all down.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: And why is that Doug? Is it the coloreds?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah, the place is just a shithole. I mean, they&#8217;re not gonna do anything with it. Fuck it. We should carpet-bomb it and start again.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Apropros of nothing, while they call him &#8220;Doug from Detroit&#8221; in that segment, in the year 2000, Detroit was 80 percent Black and 12 percent white. Meanwhile, the suburb of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sterling_Heights,_Michigan#2000_census\">Sterling Heights, Mich.<\/a>, was 90 percent white and 1 percent Black.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Which city do you think Doug Misicko is <em>actually <\/em>from?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"public-religious-displays\"><strong>The Satanic Temple\u2019s co-owner \u201cLucien Greaves\u201d on public displays of religion like Judaism<\/strong> and Islam<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: antisemitism, islamophobia, antitheism<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-10\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rr6q9uSIiE1ylrneb.mp4?_=10\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rr6q9uSIiE1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rr6q9uSIiE1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1633189343287459841\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109983681039558464\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/Cpg9bl8p6wr\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/711197343629869056\/the-satanic-temples-co-owner-lucien-greaves-on\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Opposition_to_religions_in_public\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-1ff5e056b7818fbf242e5c80b18af398 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Oh, I know recently in France, they were talking- they were trying to pass a law that nobody could wear any religious apparel at a school. No- no turbans, no goddamn little Jewish- (Shane Bugbee: Where was this at?) In France! No goddamn Jewish little frisbee caps on their heads.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Well, I like that as long as it\u2019s <em>no <\/em>religious stuff. Fucking none-<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: I&#8217;m with you. I&#8217;m all for it. I&#8217;m <em>all <\/em>for it.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: It&#8217;s like like smoking in public- it&#8217;s like smoking in restaurants wearing religious garb all over. It&#8217;s offensive to me. I don&#8217;t want to see that shit and smell your stinky fucking incense ass. Fucking take that shit to your house man and what you&#8217;re smoking cigarettes and everything else. Smoking in restaurants. I don&#8217;t like religion in fucking public, either.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: God damn right. I would like to slap everybody&#8217;s fucking turban off their head, every goddamn Jewish frisbee off the back of somebody&#8217;s fucking skull.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We are jumping around a bit, but for people who want to claim this is mere anti-theism, keep in mind that for context, this closely follows the &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#k-words\">fucking kill the [k-slurs]<\/a>&#8221; conversation and is immediately followed by fawning praise for the Ku Klux Klan, with the only caveat being their Christianity is a problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Again, Cevin Soling is entitled to his opinion about his business partner. But Doug Misicko said what he said, and he did it repeatedly as a grown-ass man using practiced phrases like &#8220;Jewish frisbees&#8221; for <em>years<\/em>, not a one-time slip of the tongue in his youth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"fascist-pilgrimage\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; recalls his pilgrimage to fascist Italy<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: praise of fascists<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-11\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rradp5bhcT1ylrneb.mp4?_=11\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rradp5bhcT1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rradp5bhcT1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1633545723437514752\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109989241155307298\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/Cpl_LUEMffT\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/711376049416667136\/lucien-greaves-talks-about-his-favorite\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_Italian_Fascism\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-f0f6558db2c8faf68b9a3d318c54e964 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>Okay. Yeah. So I went to Italy. I got back about a couple months ago, and I was there for a couple of months. And I went to a place in Northern Italy called&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gardone_Riviera\">Gardone Riviera<\/a>. And that&#8217;s where&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Vittoriale_degli_italiani\">Gabriele D&#8217;Annunzio&#8217;s house<\/a>&nbsp;was. Most people don&#8217;t know who Gabriele D&#8217;Annunzio was, but he&#8217;s like this Italian World War One war hero. He was a playwright and a poet- (Shane Bugbee: Italian, &#8220;I&#8221;.) Yeah, Italy&#8230; So, we went over there- I went over there. And it was a beautiful place. He was he&#8217;s a poet and a playwright. And he talked- but he basically talked Italy into going into World War One because he thought Italy deserved more of the Balkan territory that they didn&#8217;t have and everything else. And the Allies told them that if they came into the war, that they would get those territories. Well, D&#8217;Annunzio was considered a war hero because not only did he talk everybody into going to war, but he actually participated in the war, much unlike our Rumsfelds, Colons, Dicks, and Bushes, but anyways,&nbsp;<em>he lost an eye<\/em>&nbsp;in World War One. But after World War One, they didn&#8217;t give Italy these territories. So he took his volunteers, the Blackshirts, they went unoccupied the territories for a while. And that was the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Blackshirts\">original Blackshirts<\/a>. Those were the original&nbsp;<em>fascists<\/em>, and Mussolini aligned themselves with him and them. And he was writing for a newspaper at the time and claiming that he was all about them. D&#8217;Annunzio didn&#8217;t like Mussolini, he was saying, &#8220;You say you&#8217;re going to support us but you haven&#8217;t sent provisions? You haven&#8217;t sent men. You&#8217;re just a you&#8217;re just a fucking idiot&#8221; \u2014 for &#8220;I&#8221;. And so when Mussolini came to power, right, D&#8217;Annunzio was basically confined to his house because he was he was a liability to the fascists. He could make them look bad. So he spent fascist money like it was going out of style, basically on the agreement that he was exiled to his home. So anyways, I went to this home, being that he spent their money like it was going out of style, It was&nbsp;<em>beautiful<\/em>. It was a palace. He&#8217;s a very eccentric man, too. He had a room that- his rooms all had themes. One was like a funeral room, it was like it had like a coffin-<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee&nbsp;<\/strong>Oh I&nbsp;<em>love<\/em>&nbsp;that- I&#8217;ve always wanted. And it&#8217;s funny, you say that: I&#8217;ve always wanted to have themed rooms.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>He had one where the- the theme was severed hand. There was hands all painted on the walls and everything is just he was into it. He was- he was&nbsp;<em>great<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Again, the usual excuses just do not work here for Doug Misicko who is given the last few minutes of the show about the letter F to extoll the virtues of fascism and one Italian fascist in particular.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In his court deposition for Arkansas 10 Commandments case <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.courtlistener.com\/docket\/7274697\/cave-v-thurston\/\">Cave v. Thurston<\/a><\/em> in 2020, Shane Bugbee would go on to claim that Misicko visited the birthplace of Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-3.png\" alt=\"7. I stopped publishing Might is Right in 2016 and disavowed any connection with White supremacy or related groups. I took responsibility for my past actions, but Doug did not. He is sympathetic to fascist ideology and its emphasis on power. He has taken a particular interest in Mussolini, even visiting Italy to see Mussolini\u2019s birthplace. Doug also has a Process P Cross tattoo, which is a power symbol derived from the Swastika\" style=\"width:610px;height:175px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Exhibit 2 &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.courtlistener.com\/docket\/7274697\/188\/2\/cave-v-thurston\/\">Declaration of Shane Bugbee<\/a> \u2014 Document #188, Attachment #2<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This could <em>also<\/em> be true, but the lack of specific citation along with this story does seem to suggest that Bugbee just misremembered where Doug Misicko had traveled for his fascist pilgrimage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"> It is not safe to trust the word of Shane Bugbee on anything, including recollections, but it&#8217;s also clear he can&#8217;t be disregarded as a total fantasist, either. He was there for a <em>lot<\/em> of this, and whatever axe he has to grind after his falling out with Misicko and Cevin Soling, he actually has preserved a ton of contemporary receipts anyone can independently verify.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"nazi-anthem\">&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; talks about arson and high school bullying as Nazi national anthem plays<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: n-word slur, fascism, arson, bullying, fatphobia, ableism<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-rich is-provider-embed-handler wp-block-embed-embed-handler\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-12\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn78bfJCP1ylrneb.mp4?_=12\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn78bfJCP1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn78bfJCP1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1633907768980799489\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/109994910492390833\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cp6rQd1s0qg\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712003271207895040\/satanic-temple-co-founder-lucien-greaves-talks\">Tumblr<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_commits_arson_in_high_school\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-0253d9abc6025884d4b81e9f8ec63d98 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>I once lit a pep assembly on fire, and I did not get expelled for it. All those people! I used to get in trouble for most everything I did, and I thought it wasn&#8217;t fair. And then I was sitting at this boring pep rally because they caught me trying to leave. And there&#8217;s a big paper banner, and I just lit it on fire. The thing went up.&nbsp;<em>[German marching music starts playing]<\/em>&nbsp;And I thought, &#8220;Oh shit, it&#8217;s all over.&#8221; But they put it out and they never figured it out. And apparently nobody saw me do it. (Amy Bugbee: Wow, you never got caught?) It was the most amazing thing I never got caught for&#8230; (Shane Bugbee: I love it.) But speaking about whacking you on the head with a big book or whatever. There was a- in my high school&#8230;<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee&nbsp;<\/strong>Doug, you don&#8217;t mind I&#8217;m playing&nbsp;&#8220;Hitler Youth&#8221; songs&nbsp;underneath you, do you? (Doug Misicko: No, it&#8217;s fine.) It&#8217;s a good march there. We got four minutes.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>Maybe I can tell a story then.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Doug Misicko&#8217;s story of bullying a fat fellow high school student in swim class to get him in trouble with the teacher says something about him, but we&#8217;re mostly past, &#8220;Wow, what a douchebag,&#8221; at this point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The &#8220;Hitler Youth&#8221; marching song is &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Horst-Wessel-Lied\">Horst-Wessel-Lied<\/a>&#8220;, the Nazi anthem that became the national anthem of Germany when the NSDAP took power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Again, this was for a broadcast they intended to be public and listened by as many people as possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"burning-churches\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on burning down churches (and temples) plus why we should nuke the &#8220;Holy Land<\/strong>&#8220;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: antisemitism, islamophobia, violent anti-theism<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-provider-tumblr wp-block-embed-tumblr\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-13\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn7urMeDj1ylrneb_r1.mp4?_=13\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn7urMeDj1ylrneb_r1.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn7urMeDj1ylrneb_r1.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1634292633957982209\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/110000917095564951\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cp6r0P6rQs1\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712005008844111872\/tst-co-owner-lucien-greaves-on-burning-down\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_nuking_%22the_Holy_Land%22_and_setting_fire_to_churches\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-e8b630604fcc83666fae8f60bc55ab7c is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: It&#8217;s ignorant. And I have respect for ancient history and archaeology, but I would say make the fucking &#8220;Holy Land&#8221; to crater, a radioactive waste, and then tell them, &#8220;Go to town. It&#8217;s all yours. All you assholes.&#8221; Fuck it. Solomon&#8217;s Temple? Who gives a shit. It&#8217;s just it&#8217;s gone too fucking far. It&#8217;s gone too fucking far.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee&nbsp;<\/strong>Exactly. Fence off the whole country, and it can only be for tourists, you know, no one can live there or something.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, free zone, UN, whatever. Martial Law! No- none of those assholes should be there. If people really are- have some orthodox religion they shouldn&#8217;t even be allowed close. They should be taken as terrorists to begin with. (Amy Bugbee: Exactly.) Churches- churches are terrorist organizations. They&#8217;re fucking terrorist organizations perpetuating this idea of a lease on a land written on ancient holy document, and it&#8217;s&nbsp;<em>stupid<\/em>.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee&nbsp;<\/strong><em>Ignite<\/em>&nbsp;the church.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Yeah.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, admittedly that video ending is <em>spicy<\/em>, and given that The Satanic Temple has been targeted by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salemnews.com\/news\/they-need-to-be-wiped-out-satanic-temple-arson-suspect-told-police\/article_011113e6-eb47-11ec-97eb-87f6fbd3c009.html\">arson<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gloucestertimes.com\/news\/north_of_boston\/bomb-threat-at-satanic-temple-triggers-school-evacuation\/article_2082abb8-573d-56ce-9e8d-1cd3c8609d63.html\">bomb threats<\/a> in recent years, even if you&#8217;re not a sycophant of TST, you may even think it&#8217;s a little unfair as a jab. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Well, maybe. But Doug Misicko said what he said, he&#8217;s said worse that we <em>know of <\/em>let alone what we don&#8217;t (thanks NDAs), and he seems quite serious there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But also, The Satanic Temple and its key figures also still love this sort of rhetoric and imagery so long as it&#8217;s directed at people <em>other<\/em> than them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-4.png\" alt=\"The Satanic Temple Idaho August 30, 2021\nNew Products added!\n-Sticker Packs, which include the &quot;Idaho Church&quot; Sticker for $12 (includes shipping)\n-Dye-Sub Minimalist Backpacks... These are fantastic.\nHighly recommend!\nSupport TST Idaho's &quot;God Hates Flags&quot; Fundraiser by shopping here: https:\/\/god-hates-flags.launchcart.store\/shop\/accessories  <Sticker pack, The Satanic Temple  Idaho. Two are TST Idaho logo, third is a a uterus over an inverted pentagram, but the last is a burning church in the shape of Idaho&gt;\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The Satanic Temple Idaho sticker pack including &#8220;Idaho Church&#8221;, Aug. 30, 2021<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-5.png\" alt=\"Tweet by Sadie Satanas @SadieSatanas on March 11, 2022\nBurning Church 22, 9x12 acrylic and Bible page on canvas <somewhat abstract painting of the black structural remains of a church with still faintly visible cross engulfed in flames&gt;\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Former &#8220;TST National Council&#8221; member Sadie Satanas, March 11, 2022<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-6.png\" alt=\"Follow up tweet by @SadieSatanas that shares YouTube video for &quot;Smell the Burning Churches&quot; by Nunslaughter\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Self-reply tweet linking to &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.musixmatch.com\/lyrics\/Nunslaughter\/Smell-the-Burning-Churches\">Smell the Burning Churches<\/a>&#8221; by Nunslaughter<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Which they certainly have a right to! But they can&#8217;t really claim to be mad about it now, especially given their own stated values.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Satanic Temple&#8217;s Fourth Tenet: \u201cThe freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one\u2019s own.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">TSTers: &#8220;not like that&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"hindu-organ-harvester\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; and the OfficeMax gay Hindu organ harvester &#8220;prank call&#8221; story<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: anti-South Asian racism, homophobia<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-provider-tumblr wp-block-embed-tumblr\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-14\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn9wfGC951ylrneb.mp4?_=14\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn9wfGC951ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrn9wfGC951ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1635338578954948610\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/110017274821035906\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cp6sI3vJVT_\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712007066254966784\/tst-co-owner-tells-story-of-prank-call-about-a\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#OfficeMax_gay_Hindu_organ_harvester_%22prank_call%22_story\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-0fea0a1a13e3bacc03f1bae3512f40d4 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: O-okay. Well, I have an organ theft story from OfficeMax (Amy Bugbee: Excellent.) Because I used to work at&nbsp;<em>OfficeMax<\/em>, and it suddenly struck me that every day I had been going into the break room and ignoring the fact that they had an anonymous tip line there that I could, presumably, call at anytime to give people &#8220;snitch tips&#8221;. You know, if I needed to report my management for theft, or whatever else, or I was afraid to go to anybody else, I could call this number. So at one point, I decided to exploit this about daily. So one of the more &#8220;classic calls&#8221; I made to the OfficeMax tip line- snitch line, whatever you call it. So I called them and I reported that our store manager was gay, and that his friend had been proposing- propositioning people in the men&#8217;s room, and it made me afraid to go in there and take a shit. I told them I had an eight hour shift, and I was afraid to go in there. Take a piss.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>Now, was this true?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>No, it wasn&#8217;t! Not at all.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-fe2c500b3cc9ac4d5cb2cb73a47ba712 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: Oh&#8230; No, so he says, &#8220;Has his friend over proposition you for sex in the bathroom?&#8221; And I said &#8220;No.&#8221; And he said &#8220;Has he proposition anybody, you know, for sex?&#8221; And I said, &#8220;Dude, what is your fixation with gay sex?&#8221; And he said, &#8220;Hey, you- you called and I thought you were saying that this guy&#8217;s propositioning people for sex and bathroom.&#8221; I said, &#8220;I never said that. I said he&#8217;s propositioning people in the bathroom that he&#8217;s gay. That doesn&#8217;t mean wants to have&nbsp;<em>sex<\/em>&nbsp;with every guy.&#8221; And he&#8217;s like, &#8220;Oh okay, I don&#8217;t get it then.&#8221; And I said, &#8220;he&#8217;s asking people for their organs. He just wants the kidneys.&#8221; And he said, you know &#8220;What do you mean?&#8221; I said, &#8220;He&#8217;s this little Hindu fucker. He&#8217;s this greasy, smelly, little hairy Hindu guy. And anytime somebody comes in the bathroom, he asked if he can take their kidneys for, uh, people overseas.&#8221; And this guy was intrigued. These people, they were too stupid to hang up on me.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Something that is maybe not easily communicated in this format is just how terribly mediocre and boring all of these recordings are. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There also is bigotry (&#8220;this greasy, smelly, little hairy Hindu guy&#8221;), and an enduring theme of apparently <em>very<\/em> sincere homophobia because it just comes up over and over. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But there is no real cleverness here, no humor, nothing even interesting except that one of the three people in these conversations now regularly goes on Fox News and other outlets to present himself and his organization as an existential demonic threat to the fabric of society when talking to reactionaries, and presents as a cheeky, novel sort of progressive challenge to Christian nationalists when the audience is liberals.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In reality, he is neither, and when <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/the-satanic-temple-in-the-courts\/\">giving depositions for court<\/a> and forced to answer follow-up questions outside of a partisan dynamic, Doug Misicko turns out to be not so far removed from the painful mediocrity of these sort of clips.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"domestic-abuse\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; on domestic abuse (he blames the victims)<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: domestic abuse, victim-blaming<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-provider-tumblr wp-block-embed-tumblr\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-15\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqkhodMOX1ylrneb.mp4?_=15\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqkhodMOX1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrqkhodMOX1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1636089664804368384\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/110028993773979921\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cp9D3m5L9rn\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712168226403008512\/lucien-greaves-on-domestic-abuse-and-how-victims\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/The_ABCs_of_the_Alphabet#Doug_Misicko_on_abuse_victims'_addiction_to_abuse\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-6776400ba6f190a6ae8f94c00c75ec01 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Amy Bugbee: <\/strong>Oh, we didn&#8217;t cover&nbsp;<em>abuse<\/em>! The other A-word.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Oh god. Good thing we only have a minute left. That song is not getting played. (Amy Bugbee: Ah well, it was a good try.) Well, what&#8217;s the name of the song (Amy Bugbee:&#8221;&nbsp;Public Assistance.&#8221;&nbsp;We&#8217;ll play that for P. (Amy Bugbee: Pee?)&nbsp;<em>(laughter)<\/em>&nbsp;We&#8217;ll play it for P so you don&#8217;t get disappointed too much. Abuse, real good. You wanna fit abuse into a minute and a half? Go for it. Mic\u2019s yours.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong> <em>(laughing)<\/em>&nbsp;Oh no, no. No thanks. &#8220;Abuse.&#8221; Y\u2019know, it\u2019s just something that happens.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>It can be an addiction, too.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee&nbsp;<\/strong>Yes, it can be.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>But I think more often the person&nbsp;<em>getting<\/em>&nbsp;abused is addicted to it.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, sometimes I think it\u2019s a two-way street, but that\u2019s just&#8230;<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko&nbsp;<\/strong>&#8230;Or at least just as often.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Don&#8217;t worry, though. That was &#8220;a long time ago,&#8221; and as we all know, the past and present have no continuity whatsoever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At present, The Satanic Temple so much does <em>not<\/em> have a problem with abuse within the organization that they regularly investigate and clear themselves of all wrongdoing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They may <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/the-satanic-housewife-videos-and-legal-threat-by-the-satanic-temple\/\">send you a legal threat for talking about it<\/a>, though.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/image-20.png\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/the-satanic-housewife-videos-and-legal-threat-by-the-satanic-temple\/\">Legal threat<\/a> sent by The Satanic Temple to former TST Austin member The Satanic Housewife over her TikTok videos<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-8-e1679878626156.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:522px;height:210px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Person discussing <a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/QueerSatanic\/status\/1628666688333045760#m\">why they left TST Pittsburgh<\/a> when the local leadership council chose their ex over them.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Is it <em>possible <\/em>that when your religion is <strong>literally owned <\/strong>by a guy who thinks that targets of domestic abuse are addicted to it, your religion&#8217;s leadership and what it values might have some other issues?<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-9-395x1024.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:226px;height:586px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Person being <a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/QueerSatanic\/status\/1636137594118610945\">kicked out of TST Delaware<\/a> for reporting abuse against their partner, a fellow member.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While there was plenty of indication of that from the situation in Austin that we detailed in our article about <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/today-is-a-good-day-for-the-satanic-temple-to-release-its-finances\/\">TST&#8217;s lawsuit threat against The Satanic Housewife<\/a>,  and we linked to many other people having such criticism long prior, this is actually just the way the Temple is set up to function and people who want to do better have to either <a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/QueerSatanic\/status\/1636152555070971905\">leave in protest<\/a> or be kicked out for going against this system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There is no reform when a council of a few presumably unelected people control membership unilaterally, and therefore a person&#8217;s access to community, community they usually come to rely on. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For those who were once in reactionary Christian churches, try reading any of these accounts of how allegations of abuse are handled by TST as policy\u2014especially kicking out people who report abuse of other members in the name of neutrality\u2014and ask yourself, did your own Christian churches do <em>worse<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, back to the beginning: do we have evidence that Doug Misicko has a history of actually abusing his partners? Not that we can substantiate, no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But if the co-owner of The Satanic Temple had a history of being a domestic violence <em>victim<\/em>, TST might have some better policies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading alignwide\" id=\"abortion-access\"><strong>&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; explains the (true) importance of abortion access<\/strong>: \u201cIt\u2019s not so much about dead babies as less people\u201d <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">CW: antinatalism, anti-abortion terrorism, satanic panic, murder<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-provider-tumblr wp-block-embed-tumblr\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div style=\"width: 640px;\" class=\"wp-video\"><video class=\"wp-video-shortcode\" id=\"video-1394-16\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" preload=\"metadata\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"video\/mp4\" src=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrql87pnQf1ylrneb.mp4?_=16\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrql87pnQf1ylrneb.mp4\">https:\/\/va.media.tumblr.com\/tumblr_rrql87pnQf1ylrneb.mp4<\/a><\/video><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheSatanicWiki\/status\/1636434293097631744\">Twitter<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/kolektiva.social\/@TheSatanicWiki\/110034378720687312\">Kolektiva<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Cp9HCA5rxZ5\/\">Instagram<\/a>][<a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.tumblr.com\/post\/712169399347511296\/for-those-who-dont-understand-why-this-matters\">Tumblr<\/a>] [<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#What_are_Satanists\">Transcript<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-3efe4477b66b9745b367903ecba94bfe is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-accent-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: Well, you know, the sad thing is- is honestly Satanists have a long way to go to catch up to the Christians. You know, the Satanists just are&nbsp;<em>not<\/em>&nbsp;doing enough killing. I mean, why are they out there killing you know, these these &#8220;right to life&#8221; people? You know, abortionists are getting wiped out left, right, and center. Satanists should be out there, waxing these motherfuckers.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: You think?<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: Sure. I mean, isn&#8217;t dead babies good for Satan? Isn&#8217;t dead babies good for the whole satanic movement. Don&#8217;t you want more abortionists out there?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: &#8220;Your satanic movement&#8221;?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: It isn&#8217;t so much about dead babies, as less people.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: I mean, honestly, I&#8217;m an atheist. So to me, the whole thing is just good fun.<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: &#8230;We&#8217;re all atheists here&#8230; Atheism doesn&#8217;t run contrary to Satanism.<br><br><strong>Hart Fisher<\/strong>: I guess? You know, do what thou wilt? Isn&#8217;t that the law?<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Only if you&#8217;re twisting your fucking head off your shoulders.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: Only if you&#8217;re that homo Aleister Crowley.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Honest question: has The Satanic Temple ever spoken in <em>favor<\/em> of fertility?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They aren&#8217;t effective at it, but it sure does seem like they only really are invested in the &#8220;less people&#8221; part of bodily and reproductive autonomy.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/FcmGXFLaAAEtoAO.png\" alt=\"Medium Article from 2016 by Ragnar Santorum with image &quot;The Satanic Temple Main&quot;\" style=\"width:240px;height:242px\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many things come and go, but Doug Misicko\u2019s love affair with eugenics (<a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/QueerSatanic\/status\/1612231812906090496\">particularly for the disabled<\/a>) and worries over \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/LucienGreaves\/status\/1568618435541700608\">overpopulation<\/a>\u201d remain solid as a rock.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you though, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/TridentAntifa\/status\/1068930473232093184\">Ragnar Santorum<\/a>&#8221; for, as usual, making sure not to worry about offending &#8220;leftist sensibilities&#8221; when talking about exactly <em>which<\/em> &#8220;too many people&#8221; The Satanic Temple and its owners mean when they worry about overpopulation (disproportionately &#8220;too many greasy, smelly, little hairy Hindu guys&#8221;, Misicko might even have said once).<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-10-664x1024.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:610px;height:940px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Former TST Maine &#8220;Ragnar Santorum&#8221;, Sept. 11, 2022<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Which again, you may think is a cheap shot to end on. &#8220;Guilt by association.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a vacuum, maybe it would be, but as this article and even more <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/why-you-havent-left-the-satanic-temple\/\">our previous one<\/a> went to <em>great<\/em> pains to demonstrate, when you get past the less juvenile <em>public<\/em> posture, not much has really changed about Doug Misicko whether he&#8217;s going by &#8220;Doug Mesner&#8221;, by &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221;, by &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/QueerSatanic\/status\/1634766548182405120\">Konrad Josefsson<\/a>&#8220;, or any of the other <em>many<\/em> sockpuppets he uses because our guy just can&#8217;t stop being who he is, including beefing in the comments online.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because when you change\u2014when you actually, legitimately and sincerely change\u2014you don&#8217;t keep people like &#8220;Ragnar Santorum&#8221; in your organization, or utilize them as online trolls and perhaps one of the paid contractors The Satanic Temple uses to stalk people online as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.courtlistener.com\/docket\/17042463\/42\/1\/united-federation-of-churches-llc-v-johnson\/\">TST admitted in court<\/a> and as former TST HQ director <a href=\"https:\/\/theprocesstemple.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/20\/the-satanic-temple-is-a-business-cult-of-alt-lite-asshole-trolls-unfollow\/\">Ash Astaroth alleged of Santorum specifically<\/a> following Astaroth&#8217;s own ouster in November 2018:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-primary-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">Memes mocking my art using stills from porn sites of videos my husband and I had made years prior to my TST involvement started surfacing everywhere. <strong>Lucien has always had a team of trolls, including Adam \u201cDodge\u201d Ostrofski and Ragnar Santorum who help him stalk and troll people online so that he doesn\u2019t get his hands too obviously dirty<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<cite>Ash Astaroth, &#8220;The Satanic Temple is a business cult of alt-lite asshole trolls.&#8221;&#8221;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is not really guilt by association anymore but also an indication of what so-called libertarianism and principled centrism really mean when someone arrives there from the far-right.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/nitter.net\/LucienGreaves\/status\/1633912139743150083\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/03\/image-11.png\" alt=\"Ragnar Santorum @RagnarSantorum\nMar 9 Replying to  @LucienGreaves\nLeftoids need to come up with a new slur, &quot;far-right&quot; has become so diluted when I see someone say &quot;far-right&quot; I think &quot;some normie thing that's probably enjoyable&quot; which this is not.\n\nLucien Greaves @LucienGreaves\nReplying to  @RagnarSantorum\nI think there needs to be a word that refers to both ends of the polarized extreme that recognizes their common ground in their fight to establish censorship and install an autocracy. Something that recognizes that their politics are often merely just a pretext for power demands.\" style=\"width:610px;height:407px\"\/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>&#8220;Ragnar Santorum&#8221; and &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221;, March 9, 2023<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you spend <em>literally years<\/em> ensconced in spaces where you are openly praising fascism, comfortably using slurs, calling for the eradication of whole classes of people based on their disability or race, seriously pushing for IQ-based sterilization, and all of this other gross stuff \u2014 you ought to have some good idea what the &#8220;far right&#8221; is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here&#8217;s how one of Doug Misicko&#8217;s prank calls ended, the one <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#%22Prank%22_Call_of_Psychic\">with the psychic<\/a> (content warning: misogyny, racist slurs):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote has-black-color has-vivid-purple-background-color has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-f1ad5906aec8af00b67b5799b0210671 is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Doug Misicko: <\/strong>We know what you&#8217;re up to. You&#8217;re lying to us.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Can we call you names for 4.99 a minute you whore?<br><br><strong>Doug Misicko<\/strong>: You sold yourself out.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: Cunt. Dirty rotten halfbreed. Look, she just sits on the line like a fucking cab you&#8217;re sand-nigger bitch\u2026.<br><br><strong>Amy Bugbee<\/strong>: That was interesting\u2026 That was interesting.<br><br><strong>Shane Bugbee<\/strong>: It&#8217;s time for you white motherfuckers to wake up.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They then <a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#RaHoWa_Song_break\">played two songs<\/a> &#8220;White People Awake&#8221; and &#8220;Triumph of the Will&#8221; by the white power punk band RaHoWa. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That is, they played songs by a band called &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/us-usa-wisconsin-shooting-army\/u-s-army-fights-racists-within-its-own-ranks-idUSBRE87K04Y20120821\">Racial Holy War<\/a>&#8221; in a reference to the neo-Nazi Church of the Creator&#8217;s idea of eradicating Black and Jewish people specifically from the planet. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Together, Misicko and Bugbee went on to interview the songwriter of the RaHoWa band, George Burdi, and neo-Nazi terrorist Tom Metzger, founder of White Aryan Resistance. While Burdi had supposedly changed his ways after a near-fatal attack on anti-racist protestors some years before, the broadcast still played his &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/the.satanic.wiki\/index.php\/Might_Is_Right_24-Hour_Radio_Special#George_Eric_Hawthorne_Speeches\">Blood Destiny<\/a>&#8221; speech after introducing him as a &#8220;lifelong white racial activist&#8221;; Meanwhile, Metzger&#8217;s organization had murdered an Ethiopian immigrant in Portland, Ore., which Misicko even referenced.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is not just &#8220;edgelords&#8221;; this is not just people who are geeks for &#8220;dark&#8221; material. This is <em>violent white nationalism<\/em>, and Misicko has continued to align with such people and align his organization with such people under the excuse of &#8220;free speech&#8221; even while suing critics including the press. Perhaps most tellingly, even now, Misicko cannot go further than &#8220;both sides&#8221; in way of criticism of fascism. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The far right is currently sending <em>hundreds of people<\/em> to elected office around the USA, has captured much of the judiciary, fills law enforcement top to bottom, and weekly, fascist gangs go out to try to destroy queer life in the streets while legislators and judges do so in the government. There is no proportionate communist, socialist, or anarchist counterpoint to that, and only someone with their thumb on the scale and a rooting interest could pretend there is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Misicko may be a dipshit, but he&#8217;s not stupid. Unless it&#8217;s on a hot mic, he will not get caught mocking Black, Jewish, or intellectually disabled people the same way he used to. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, people who have <em>genuinely<\/em> radically changed, who have <em>genuinely<\/em> seen the errors of their ways from their beliefs \u2014 which as we have shown, are this bad \u2014 don&#8217;t look at the world today and its global fascist movement and talk of &#8220;polarized extremes&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; and The Satanic Temple have a lot to answer for. But so long as sycophants continue to make excuses for him and give him unaccountable money through the organization he owns, he has no reason to answer for it and likely never will.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/queersatanic.com\/lucien-greaves-and-the-satanic-temple-have-a-lot-to-answer-for\/#jump-to\">[Back to top]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How can TST&#8217;s defenders think grotesque bigotry by its owner is merely &#8220;an imperfection&#8221; to be celebrated? When confronted with examples of Doug &#8220;Lucien Greaves&#8221; Misicko&#8217;s pattern of reactionary words and actions over the past two decades, usually, The Satanic Temple&#8217;s sycophants offer one of a small handful of stock excuses to deflect and otherwise&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":1422,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[626,775,776,902,930,1075,15,1151],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1394","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-abcs-of-the-alphabet","category-doug-mesner","category-doug-misicko","category-lucien-greaves","category-might-is-right","category-shane-bugbee","category-the-satanic-temple","category-tst-apologism"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1394","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1394"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1394\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1394"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1394"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/qs.gehenna.ynh.fr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1394"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}